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Here's a question for you...

'What if Knight Rider was inspired by the real thing, back then? What if Glen Larson was introduced to a real life AI and got his inspiration there, what if Karr was based off a particularly difficult military machine?

What if when you looked into the face of a US soldier, you couldn't be sure if you were looking at a machine or a human being? Or the fireman pulling you out of that burning building? The rescue vehicle carrying you away? What if the only way you could tell the difference was to get close enough to touch the metal of the car to tell if it was warm when it should be cold, or close enough to test the strength of that soldier, or rescue personnel against a known human being?

What if it's all going on under your nose, and as the average human you don't know until there's that government press release sanctioned by the military announcing these creatures are there? And you didn't know, and couldn't tell? Would you join the outcry to tattoo these cars/computers and their hybrid offspring so you could see from a distance they weren't human? Just to avoid getting close?

Or would you take their side and insist that no race should be marked and tattooed like the Jews were subjected to in WW2? Would it matter to you that these creatures could love, hate, hurt and bleed like you can? Would it matter that maybe that one time in that car accident that the only reason you got out was because of the strength and drive one of them possessed? Would that change your mind, or would you be horrified that you were vulnerable, wounded and weak and one of them had picked you up out of the pretzel that used to be your car?

Would you join in with the majority spitting on a police officer who doubled as a car, trying to protect you from the gang across the street, and call her evil things? Just to subject her to a rule that could possibly cost her her life when she was trying to keep yours safe?

What would you do in answer to the above 'what if's'?

((Posted at vespurrs' request. Names changed to protect the 'innocent'. I'd just like your reactions to said hypothetical situations.))

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lookingforwater
Apr. 1st, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
Well, I'd be pissed at the government, but that's hardly their fault. And if they've been working among us for so very long without going all psycho and stabby, they'll probably continue to do so for a long time. Prejudice against them is irrational and I would work against it.
nightblade
Apr. 1st, 2007 06:18 pm (UTC)
I agree, if they have been working with us w/o turning psycho, then why would they now? I would be happy to know I was working with another sentient being other than human. Why would I be horrified if a machine saved me? I would be thankful.

"Prejudice against them is irrational and I would work against it."
Hear, hear!
rusti_knight
Apr. 1st, 2007 06:50 pm (UTC)
Why would you be horrified? Because people, in general, are, as it was so succinctly put in Men in Black: "dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."

I'm referring to something I plan to write (I'm being vague on purpose, my apologies) where the world is very real, present day, almost. Everyone has seen Terminator and its sequels, Discovery channel has covered the possibility of computers becoming smarter than us, and people are arrogant and at the same time fearful of being dominated.

You wouldn't be even a smidge fearful that public outcry could drive one to the point of breaking? Would you want them marked so you could look at the car/person from a distance and know what they were? Would you really not care? Be honest. Even Vespurrs was mildly fearful of the concept.
shadowwolf75
Apr. 1st, 2007 06:07 pm (UTC)
Excuse my language, but FUCK the majority! I think humanity sucks anyway, so I think it'd be awesome to have another sentient race on Earth. I'd probably associate with them more than actual organics, really . . .
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(Anonymous)
Apr. 2nd, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC)
*chuckles* No, it's actually not a joke, it's for something I'm writing, and I would like to know your answers.
rusti_knight
Apr. 2nd, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC)
Erm...that was me. Working from a school computer and forgot to log in. :P
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rusti_knight
Apr. 2nd, 2007 05:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks. Hopefully it'll be something you might read when I get done. :)
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:36 pm (UTC)
You know, that's something I brought up vaguely in my response... it IS a valid concern, isn't it, and I think it's the root of this particuar type of anti-AI sentiment, which makes it different from racial prejudice, or anything else.

The next post in this community (here, to save you looking: http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=853#comments)was a good example on that (we interteisngly enough studied the uncannyvalley from an artistic viewpoint at uni), though I draw attention to it's points about human/animal hybrids - the issue of the ucnanny valley is that things somethmes appear o human, yet are not, that they disturb people - the "Young family"scltpure in that link is very much NOT humanoid enough to hit the uncanny valley. It's hitting a totally different type of mental discomfort. or that's what I think, anyway.

it's strange at where we seem to draw the line - making them real enough for us to feel comfortbale around them - but not TOO real, because then peopel get confused. I am sceptical of the ucnanny valley's concept, though I can see how it works artistically, that's different to realc life, though the outcomes may be similar if fiction as a reflection of life are anything to go by).

We have to think about these things. If a human is giving robots their feleigns and mentalities, then I'd be very worried about itnroducing them otday, because perosnally, i think humans suck - our children are picking up onthat suckiness, and robots probably would to. But when you get down to it, everything depends on upbringing.
bad_machination
Apr. 9th, 2007 06:53 am (UTC)
I'd ask where I could sign up for a robot body.
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC)
You know, I never thought of that myself... that's a ctually a really potential response. I hate the thought of dying - robots don't die. Total way out for me.
rusti_knight
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:41 pm (UTC)
'Cept in this case, signing up for a robot body isn't an option. ;) These shape-shifting cars aren't made that way. The setting is present day, much like Knight Rider, and the vehicles' manufacturer isn't exactly interested in transferring consciousness.
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
Darn it XD

Still it's likely someone somewhere, knowing of the existence of that kind of tech, wold see the possibilitiy of utilising it in that way. The human brain will often tune itself to it's own survivial "how will this benefit me?" is an udnerstandab;e response.
rusti_knight
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:53 pm (UTC)
Perhaps. It's just not something I intend to include in my writing. :)
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, but you posted on ai ethics, which is used to dealing with more than just cool talking cars, and people are gonna extrapolate a little on your queries. You can still find relevance in what is said.
Cars are still cool idea.
rusti_knight
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:57 pm (UTC)
I certainly can, and I have notes of some of it, too. :) I was looking for 'reaction' and I certainly did get it.
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
I talk a lot XD
rusti_knight
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:02 am (UTC)
No kiddin'? ;)
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
You asked the questions in the firats place, technically it's your fault :P
rusti_knight
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:04 am (UTC)
Sure sure, make the attempt to absolve yourself of responsibility.
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
Hey, man, it ain't my fault, it's an inherent quality of my species.
rusti_knight
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
;P That's what they all say.
bad_machination
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC)
If I can't have a robot body then I dismiss the scenario as irrelevant to my interests, on the grounds of being human and irrational.
rusti_knight
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:53 pm (UTC)
*snerk* Suit yourself!
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah... Thing is a lot of people would probably think like that, if it doesn't affect them and how they live, they don't honestly care. That's irrational humanity for you.

KITT would have something to say XD, no doubt sarcastically. >_>
bad_machination
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)
Actually, that was just an attempt to be clever and make a joke. Har.

I have yet to articulate my thoughts, in response to the new parameters.
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
Nonetheless, it stands true for the vast percentage of humanity - if it doesn't effect me, why should I care? The very fact that we're IN this group suggests we're not really of that mentality.

That is a cool Data voice.
bad_machination
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:16 am (UTC)
werdz f t w
rusti_knight
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
New parameters?
bad_machination
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:19 am (UTC)
In the first post you never said that the robots were limited to shape shifting cars as you imply in your response to my initial response. You also dictate that the manufacturers are uninterested in conciousness transfer, and imply that there are no companies that are, but suggesting the elimination of the robot body possibility.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:19 am (UTC)
*by
rusti_knight
Nov. 19th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC)
Ah, my bad. Carry on!
scarab_dynasty
Nov. 18th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
I have typed a response to this question here (it was long): http://scarab-dynasty.livejournal.com/195199.html
bad_machination
Nov. 22nd, 2007 06:53 pm (UTC)
Heh, a somewhat unclimactic response after putzing with it for these few days, but I would perhaps be uneasy at first, coming around to the idea with only the application of some time. I would certainly be upset with the government, but most of my life I've had a distrust of the american government brushing elbows and honobbing with the realms of fiction (or is it INSIGHT?) of the paranoid-schizophrenic. Nothing new there.

Regarding the robots, after wrapping my mind around it I would probably side with lookingforwater(and not just because of positive bias due to hilarious willy wonka avatarness), estimating their behavior to continue to be stable because of the past trend. Of course I would be vaguely jealous of them :p, and absolutely thrilled that I could potentially converse with a real AI/AS.

Note: Proofread, deleted, edited, and reposted. Proofread first, post second is a pattern I seem to have difficulty with >.
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